Last night, despite swearing myself black in the face I wouldn’t lightly sent foot in the place again and despite my promises to take it easy with the raiding, I did ToC-25. We got to Anub with nary an issue although I think I contrived to die at the end of every single fight (well … better than in the middle, right?) and then things fell apart for administrative reasons more than anything, which was mildly frustrating. Also I very much wanted to support an in-guild culture that values raiding in general, not just *gasp* current content – an issue highlighted by the following exchange over guild chat:
Random Guildie Who Could Be Anyone Honest Guv: You’re in TotC-25, lol. I didn’t even know the guild was doing that tonight.
GL: It was on the raid calendar.
Random Guildie Who Could Be Anyone Honest Guv: Oh I only look at ICC raids.
GL: Well then you fail.
Yes, yes you do. You fail hard.
Of course, as ever when you do a partially-pugged run, we ended up pimping some random druid beyond his wildest dreams and, through a great effort of group will, we managed to work our way from sneaky bitterness that he wasn’t a guildie towards genuine celebration of his fortune. I was proud of us *wipes tear from eye*. And, actually, my good intentions were unexpectedly rewarded – the mystifying charm dropped, and I swept it eagerly into my unloved off-hand. (What is it with Blizzard and their punishing lack of decent off-hands, if you want me to use a staff, just say, don’t passive aggressively try to manipulate me into it by not having any off-hand items in the game!)
I’d been using the Scourgelord’s Baton for the spell power boost, despite the fact it has smelly hit on it, and also, truthfully, because it doesn’t look like a maraca, but I found the name slightly off-putting. I mean, a baton is one of those shiny, twirling sticks that band leaders wave isn’t it? I didn’t realise the Scourgelords even HAD a marching band. I’m not saying they can’t have hobbies or anything but I personally don’t like to think of Lady Deathwhisper in her majorette outfit…
OH NO LADY DEATHWHISPER NO!
The mystifying charm is much better. I shall mystify you. With my charms. Oh yes. Are you mystified yet?
Anyway, where was I going with this? I’m sure somewhere… oh yes. Afterwards, at a bit of a lose end, we decided to pay Ony a flying visit, as the old girl must be pretty lonely these days…possibly even to the extent of having to leave her lair in order to feed. We got about 6 nostalgic/bored guildies together and set about pugging the rest. I was pegging through Dalaran to the portal when I saw a horrifying cry go across trade.
It went like this:
LFM, Ony 10, good grp.
I had a little internal lol. Some other people were trying to pug Ony 10 as well, and they were advertising themselves as “good grp”.
And then I realised it was us.
The SHAME!
I nearly quit the group then and there because I didn’t want the dreaded stigma of good grp hanging over me.
Now, perhaps it’s only me but the words “good grp” always make me want to run a fucking mile. When I mentioned this in guild, the general feeling seemed to be that I was over-reacting – and somebody said that, as far as he was concerned, it was the equivalent of saying “group of folks who know each other.” But, for that, I think you say “mostly guild run” – if you have to say anything at all. “Mostly guild run” is another one of those ambivalent phrases though – it might imply “so this’ll go relatively smoothly” or “we are a shameless bunch of bloody ninjas.” Generally I think if you’re lofting your needs over LFG (or *shudder* trade) there’s nothing particularly you can say to sell your run over any other run, so you’re better off sticking to the basics – who you need and for what.
This is a bit of a diversion but I feel diverting so indulge me. Back when I was young (younger) and idealistic (more idealistic) I did a lot of work with university access and aspiration – the basic aim of Aspiration Days (worst name ever, huh?) was to get a bunch of kids from under-privileged backgrounds to come down here and inspire them to, y’know, think beyond and outside the limitations of their life and aspire to a university education. It all sounds incredibly cheap and patronising but it did, occasionally, work. There were a variety of playful activities, including lauching eggs off Medieval buildings, solving murders using basic forensics and logic, and one of which, I seem to recall, was vaguely political in bent. They were supposed to be MPs who’d been given a large sum of money and they had to work out how they would spend it to improve their town, and how they would sell it to the voters. Again, it sounds pretty lame when I write it out like this but there was marginally more to it than I have here related, and generally it was pretty enjoyable.
One day we had a group from Tilbury. Various plans for the money were concocted – including some rather Dystopian futures in which they moved all the old people out of Tilbury in order to knock down the old peoples’ home and build some kind sports stadium. The most promising group, however, decided that they wanted to build a new hospital. This was motivated almost entirely by one girl within the group (a girl I still remember – she was smart, and charming, and I hope she is well) whose mother was pregnant, and she worried that they’d have to get all the way to Essex when it was time for the baby to be born. And because from the personal springs the political, this group actually came together pretty well and put together a very decent campaign – which they sold very effectively to the other groups, and it seemed like they were on their way to winning the game, even over Team Anti-Octogenarian and their Dystopian Sports Stadium. They had forgotten, however to come up with their campaign slogan, which was a necessary part of the exercise.
I felt a bit bad putting them on the spot but I had to ask.
Panic flashed in their eyes.
But then a calm came over the group. “It’s okay,” said the group leader, solemnly, “I have it.” An expectant hush. “Our slogan is LESS DEATH IN TILBURY.”
Oh, I couldn’t help it. I just about pissed myself laughing. And I felt terrible about it but, as I quickly explained, it was a stroke of pure political genius. After all, the other candidates would have to work exceptionally hard to avoid the implication of being in favour of MORE DEATH IN TILBURY.
(And for the record, it did work – Less Death in Tilbury won by a landslide, I think I part due to the fact the other candidates were distracted from their own agendas by having to assure the voting populace that they, too, cared about death rates in Tilbury)
This is just an amusing story, and I like to tell it – Less Death in Tilbury is still a term extant in my friendship group to describe something that is very good in practice but appallingly packaged. The X5 bus to Cambridge, for example, proudly bears the slogan “WASTE AN AFTERNOON IN CAMBRIDGE” and makes me snigger every time I see it. That is a prime example of Less Death in Tilbury marketing.
Just to bring this back to what I was actually talking about (and I do have a point, I promise) … the dreaded Good Grp is precisely NOT an example of Less Death in Tilbury. By claiming your grp is “good” you do not automatically imply that all the other grps clamouring for attention on LFG are “not good.”
I mean it’s not like people are hanging around in Dalaran, thinking to themselves: “Well, I want to go to ICC-10 and there are two groups looking for a tank but this group claims that they’re GOOD, so I’ll go with them.” A group isn’t a concrete thing you can evaluate beforehand – it’s an abstract amalgam of the people who comprise it. Trying to make promises you may not, in fact, be able to keep just makes you look stupid.
Also perhaps I’m just insanely idealistic but I think functionality (being good) is … y’know … the DEFAULT. Claiming that you’re a “good grp” is the equivalent to writing a personal add along the lines of: “Non serial killer, non rapist, non smoker seeks slim mother of three for long walks along the beach.” Or advertising a car for sale “WITH WHEELS!”
Also I reckon there’s a creepy undertone of “well, we’ve said we’re good, which makes it true, so if this goes wrong, we’ll blame you.”
Possibly it’s just another one of those WoW distancing techniques I hate so much – a way of anticipating potential failure and isolating yourself from it, by laying claim to imaginary credential (we’re GOOD!).
Equally it’s not like people advertise themselves over LFG by shouting: “Bunch of complete morons putting together failgrp in order to waste your time.”
Although after I mentioned it, a guildie did in fact get himself on LFG and start calling out “Bunch of morons LFM for Ony 10″ which made me very very happy.
Bizarrely, however, it seemed to work – we got a grp, of variable quality like all grps, together not long after. Maybe there’s an appealing honesty to it.
Lowest common denominator seeks bottom for barrel for doomed relationship based on mutual desperation…
Dear Mr Taking it easy raider, c'mon admit, how many days have you skipped the daily heroic as well? *None* did you say?
I *lol'd* at the slogan
The good group thing makes me cringe to. But this one takes the biscuit – I think it was Koch the other day who read in /trade
*LF 2 tanks, 3 healers and 4 dps for ICC, imba group*
I had to be impressed at the guy's confidence.
*hangs head in shame* I am fail. BUT I WANTED A NEW PAIR OF TROUSERS!!!
Also that's brilliant…. mad but brilliant
There is obviously more to this story than she let on. And I even got a screenshot as proof. Worth a separate post, though (and I'm not above cunningly abusing your post to generate more traffic for my own. Ha!)
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Also it's even funnier with the screenshot. I think it's the fact he says specifically he's looking for 9 other people to join his imba grp.
As an aside, about the Aspiration Days.
When I was a teenager, I grew up in a single parent family (my mother died when I was 12) on a council estate, and we relied heavily on benefits. I remember distinctly studying for O levels and my teachers being really keen that I stay on in the 6th form because I was good at academic stuff. But really I wanted to just leave and get a job, I had this idea I could go work in a bank and eventually be a bank manager.
This horrified my headmaster. But he wasn't the one who woke up in a panic at 5am every morning fretting about how he was going to pay the electricity bill. I don't think any of them really understood what it was like to be 16, have two younger sisters, and be worrying about bills.
I did eventually get persuaded to stay on and do A levels (by my Physics teacher who convinced me that studying Physics lead to well paid jobs), and I ended up getting a bursary to a rather posh school which paid for all of my travel, meals, tuition and even a clothing allowance. But the girls there were like alien creatures. They lived in houses that could have come straight out of Good Housekeeping — and one of them actually had a house that had been featured there. They shopped in shops I would always hurry past because they were out of my reach. They had really strange ambitions like wanting to win nobel prizes or run an international chain of language schools. And my ambition was still just to get a job that paid enough that I would never have to lie awake worrying about bills.
Anyhow, my point is that when I was about a year into this, I had the chance to go on one of these taster types of thing. This one was cheesily designed to get girls interested in studying science and engineering and was a 3 day course at some university in the Summer. It was great fun, we got to design and test heart meters, play with some cool equipment, get shown round factory production lines (a great favourite from anyone who ever watched playschool) and talk to some female under and post grads.
After that, I was quite keen to go to university. So these things do work. The big thing for me was not so much that it was a fun course, but that I'd finally gotten to meet other people in a similar situation to myself. Other girls who understood what it was like to be worrying about bills and benefits and were keen on engineering too. So I knew that I wasn't going to be alone among aliens when I got there. That was the big thing.
Sorry for digression, just to say that your taster day might have done more good than you think.
Not at all – the digression was very welcome indeed. I had a similar experirence, only without the aspiration. My family is stalwartly working class, and they all think I'm a bit of a weirdo anyway – especially when, completely out of the blue, I got a scholarship to a posh grammar school (where everybody was very different to me – I remember visiting these North Jesmond extremely upper-class houses and being simply astonished by the way they lived and *all the books*) for my A-levels which, in turn, got me down here. I think part of the reason I was (and, hell, still am) so into access is because it recalls me to my roots.
Equally I'm wary of lulling myself into sentimentalism over it – which is why, I think, I communicated this with more cynicism than I actually feel. It's just it's too easy to make these things about making myself feel good and salving my own conscience – instead of the people they're meant to be helping.
I worked in a similar sort of program for a few summers while I did my undergrad, and I was kind of struck by the same mixture of hopefulness and cynicism about the whole project too.
While there were many kids who were obviously fascinated and who (hopefully) managed to turn that into a lasting ambition, there were a few who obviously felt like aliens even just being there, and I wondered if it was really alright for us to be implying that there was something wrong with the way that they felt they wanted to live and the way their families lived.
This is one of those minefieldy areas where no matter which way you go you wind up being horribly patronising. I think the reason that Tam was so annoyed by the term "Aspiration" days is that the term "aspiration" carries a slightly iffy value judgment, there's a notion that if people from working class backgrounds don't get into university it's because they just aren't thinking big enough.
MORE DEATH IN TILLBURY => tea sprayed all over the keyboard!
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MORE TEA ON KEYBOARDS….hmmm…doesn't quite work…
And there isn't an off-hand enchantment either… yes, Blizzard hates off-hands…
Completely agree on the "good group" thing.
God, you're right. If I hadn't recently got a handful of somebody's bonespike I'd probably be clamouring for a staff about now….
I'm glad I'm not the only one who cringes at the 'good grp' nonsense. Though I tend to read 'mostly guild run' as 'we're going to belittle you if you make the slightest mistake – oh and you're not getting any loot'. I guess it's always better than 'lfm vault 25 need tanks – plate loot reserved'.
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Oh yeah, loot reserving is, if anything, worse than trying to advertise the 'quality' of your grp (I love the way it's always a group, as well, not a grp).
I think the problem with mostly guild runs is that they're either very very good and you think "wow, if I wasn't happily guilded I want to lick buttercream off these guys" (or words to that effect) or, else, as you say they turn out to be cliquey, mean and unpleasant.
picked my sister up off the X5 on friday last, i'll have to look at the slogan next time it pulls up in cambridge
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I hope it's still there – or possibly somebody's brain caught up with them and they changed it.
Also it occurs to me that a more accurate advert would be WASTE AN AFTERNOON IN A TRAFFIC JAM ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF MILTON KEYNES…
Or maybe even…
WASTE AN AFTERNOON ON THE X5.
Been reading this blog for a while now, just wanted to say how much I enjoy it. Your posts are very insightful, very perceptive.
Avast!
And thank you for the kind words.
Avast!
And thank you for the kind words.
Awesome writing as ever Tam. Ya had me chuckling into my tea all the way.
Thank you kindly – delighted to amuse
Thank you kindly – delighted to amuse
I ROFLMAO'ed with the Scourgelord Marching Band and the twirling baton, but I imagined a transvestite Arthas instead of Lady Deathwhisper
Nowadays marketing has to be very imaginative to catch up your attention, so going "bunch of retards looking for some syphilitic monkeys for X run" may have more success than "mostly guild run, imba geared, LFM for X run"
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Hmmm…I'd probably whisper back explaining I didn't have spyhillis yet but I was a quite learner….
'Guild group' is good advertisement. It does generally mean that the people have raided the content together before and that they might be missing a few of our normal posse. And to replace guild people you want excellent raiders, not just any bum off the street. So, greater chances of success, but greater demands if you want to join. I don't see anything strange with that.
'Good group' can also be the slightly shorter and easier way to say "oh, and by the way, I gear checked people and it looks OK", but it mostly makes sense when you lose someone mid-run and have had notable success that cannot be attributed solely to the person who had to leave.
But we totally were a good group though!
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I think you are way too optimistic about guild runs – yes it likely means these people have done the content before but it ALSO means that they'll be an etablished clique who'll mock you for your slightest mistake, be chattering on vent so they don't have to communicate with you at all AND resent any piece of loot you get. Come on, we've done it to others. And very often it's not "greater demands" it's "unresaonable standards" – since having an outsider to blame means that you don't have to worry about your performance so much.
Well, if I go and fill a guild run I usually know my shit so they don't have to resent me, and if they resent me for getting loots, their loss and my loot.
On a more serious note, I don't recognize your experiences but I do think that you and I tend to end up in different types of PuG's.
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No, no, I've had some lovely "mostly guild" runs – my first experience in ToC-10 was with another guild on the server. I was both a noob and the only non-guildie in the run, and they were absolutely amazing, and if I hadn't already been in a guild I'd have totally run off into the sunset with them. They invited me into their vent channel, talked me through the tacs, and I even picked up a new belt. I remember it as one of my most unexpectedly happy and successful WoW experiences.
And I think you misread me – I was actually inviting you to consider it from the other direction.
I am mystified!
And charmed.
Death, however, is probably a little peeved he’s had his Tilbury visiting hours cut.
And mystifiably charmed?
Well, there's not much worth visiting in Tilbury anyway so he'd probabably be better off going back to Miss Flitworth…
She's a much better dancer.
loving the discworld reference I also looked at your "probabably" above and it reminded me of nanny ogg who knows how to start spelling banana but doesnt know how to stop.
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Not at all – the digression was very welcome indeed. I had a similar experirence, only without the aspiration. My family is stalwartly working class, and they all think I'm a bit of a weirdo anyway – especially when, completely out of the blue, I got a scholarship to a posh grammar school (where everybody was very different to me – I remember visiting these North Jesmond extremely upper-class houses and being simply astonished by the way they lived and *all the books*) for my A-levels which, in turn, got me down here. I think part of the reason I was (and, hell, still am) so into access is because it recalls me to my roots. Equally I'm wary of lulling myself into sentimentalism over it – which is why, I think, I communicated this with more cynicism than I actually feel. It's just it's too easy to make these things about making myself feel good and salving my own conscience – instead of the people they're meant to be helping.
Awesome post. And so very, very true.
Awesome post. And so very, very true.
I am mystified!
And charmed.
Death, however, is probably a little peeved he’s had his Tilbury visiting hours cut.
Awesome post. And so very, very true.
This IntenseDebate OpenID Login is mildly annoying though.
It was even more annoying before, trust me :/ I went through hell and back with comments after my service provider decided to introduce "security measures" I couldn't switch off and which basically interpreted any attempt to use open-ID as a hacker. Thanks 34sp. So i'm very very grateful to Intense Debate all things considered!
Thank you for the kind words about the post, glad you were amused.
People pimping themselves on Trade is fairly common. My favorite was:
"Tank LFG for weekly raid"
"Better tank LFG for weekly raid"
Also, guilds of all kinds begging on Trade for 1-2 more people is also common.
Hehehe, that's very funny.
I know people pimp themselves on trade regularly but now there's a city-wide LFG I just wish they'd stick to it. I guess old habits die hard.
I thought some of our bus slogans were bad:
“For shopping, for hospital visits” used to adorn the side of one
WTB more bus slogans.
Ahaha, that's great.
I'll keep an eye out for other classics
I thought some of our bus slogans were bad:
“For shopping, for hospital visits” used to adorn the side of one
WTB more bus slogans.
"Lowest common denominator seeks bottom for barrel for doomed relationship based on mutual desperation…"
Ah, the great mating call of teh internets goes out.
Indeed. *trumpets like an elephant*
So did Ony die or what? You can't leave a cliffhanger like that! Ultimately you were a "good grp" or a "bunch of morons", right? Or is it preferred that we not know…
Of course Ony went down
Not in the cleanest way possible, admittedly, but the deed was done.
I think were ultimately just a "grp" – like any such grp
OMG, Less Death in Tillbury ROFL!
Now I understand why when my bf pugged for 5 mans (before LFG), he always got multiple tells. Examples of his recruitments in trade:
“LF 1 brave DPS for fail group”
“Need godly DPS to carry us”
etc
Hehehe – yes I like silly, self-ironic ads – I've answered calls for "one brave healer" before, and generally enjoyed myself.
I tend to keep it plain and simple, with a touch of whimsy if I'm feeling in the mood.
And I've never called it a grp
OMG, Less Death in Tillbury ROFL!
Now I understand why when my bf pugged for 5 mans (before LFG), he always got multiple tells. Examples of his recruitments in trade:
“LF 1 brave DPS for fail group”
“Need godly DPS to carry us”
etc
Love the slogan!
I grew up in the obsure island nation of Papua New Guinea.
For a decade their 'tourist slogan' was:
Papua New Guinea: Like Every Place You've Never Been.
they got that right.
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Good grief … that has an undeniable sort negative genius
(By the way, welcome back, we missed you )
Thanks, glad to be back!
As for taking it easier, it's a work in progress, eh?
I too am trying to be better about it. I'll still raid 5 and maybe even 6 days a week, so any pulling back I do will still seem excessive no-lifing to some. But, on Sunday for example I did nary a heroic, I didn't log into any of my level 80 toons, I only checked the AH once or twice and had a lovely quiet evening with the spouse in front of the (gas) fire watching Mary Poppins and I love Lucy reruns.
Good luck with balance, and…. Stay on Target!
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Thanks, glad to be back!
As for taking it easier, it's a work in progress, eh?
I too am trying to be better about it. I'll still raid 5 and maybe even 6 days a week, so any pulling back I do will still seem excessive no-lifing to some. But, on Sunday for example I did nary a heroic, I didn't log into any of my level 80 toons, I only checked the AH once or twice and had a lovely quiet evening with the spouse in front of the (gas) fire watching Mary Poppins and I love Lucy reruns.
Good luck with balance, and…. Stay on Target!
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Damn… and I'm no longer single.
That was hilarious. My husband pointed your site out to me as he reads it fairly often.
I'm a BE Mage and I totally feel you pain for off-hands… I like using a one-handed sword but with what? I think I've had my off-hand through 4 sword upgrades. Thankfully I was lucky to get a purple drop – don't ask me what it is. I can't remember for the life of me.
Thanks for the laughs for there were many.
Thank you for the kind words – delighted to have amused
I had the Handbook of Obscure Remedies for, like, about 84 painful years. It was pretty appropriate for a healer but I got so bored of it, with its lousy stats. I should probably have just gone the staff route but for some reason I've always conceived of Tam as a dude with a mace and a weird thing in his other hand…
But over a two week period I managed to juggle through the Shrivelled Heart, the Scourglelord's Baton and finally the Mystifying Charm … I guess off-handers are like buses. You wait forever and three come along at once
"Bunch of morons LFM for Ony 10"
Sign me up. I'm much more trusting of those who feel the need to "advertise in truth" than the "good group" guys.
I have to admit, I'd be tempted too…self-irony never fails to win me over to anything.
"Lowest common denominator seeks bottom for barrel for doomed relationship based on mutual desperation…"
-I *think* I read that in an personal add once. I'll bet ya it worked too.
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Possibly, I can't remember where I saw it…. I can't tell if self-ironic desperation is as unattractive as the common or garden variety
Oh yeah, loot reserving is, if anything, worse than trying to advertise the 'quality' of your grp (I love the way it's always a group, as well, not a grp). I think the problem with mostly guild runs is that they're either very very good and you think "wow, if I wasn't happily guilded I'd want to lick buttercream off these guys" (or words to that effect) or, else, as you say they turn out to be cliquey, mean and unpleasant.
Taking a leaf out of Megan's book, I have only read the caps so far… well them and…
"I had a little internal lol. Some other people were trying to pug Ony 10 as well, and they were advertising themselves as “good grp”.
And then I realised it was us.
The SHAME!"
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Yep, that's probably all you need to know
Thanks, glad to be back! As for taking it easier, it's a work in progress, eh? I too am trying to be better about it. I'll still raid 5 and maybe even 6 days a week, so any pulling back I do will still seem excessive no-lifing to some. But, on Sunday for example I did nary a heroic, I didn't log into any of my level 80 toons, I only checked the AH once or twice and had a lovely quiet evening with the spouse in front of the (gas) fire watching Mary Poppins and I love Lucy reruns. Good luck with balance, and…. Stay on Target! My recent post Dead DPS……. Don't.
Thanks, glad to be back! As for taking it easier, it's a work in progress, eh? I too am trying to be better about it. I'll still raid 5 and maybe even 6 days a week, so any pulling back I do will still seem excessive no-lifing to some. But, on Sunday for example I did nary a heroic, I didn't log into any of my level 80 toons, I only checked the AH once or twice and had a lovely quiet evening with the spouse in front of the (gas) fire watching Mary Poppins and I love Lucy reruns. Good luck with balance, and…. Stay on Target! My recent post Dead DPS……. Don't.
Thanks, glad to be back! As for taking it easier, it's a work in progress, eh? I too am trying to be better about it. I'll still raid 5 and maybe even 6 days a week, so any pulling back I do will still seem excessive no-lifing to some. But, on Sunday for example I did nary a heroic, I didn't log into any of my level 80 toons, I only checked the AH once or twice and had a lovely quiet evening with the spouse in front of the (gas) fire watching Mary Poppins and I love Lucy reruns. Good luck with balance, and…. Stay on Target! My recent post Dead DPS……. Don't.
Thanks, glad to be back! As for taking it easier, it's a work in progress, eh? I too am trying to be better about it. I'll still raid 5 and maybe even 6 days a week, so any pulling back I do will still seem excessive no-lifing to some. But, on Sunday for example I did nary a heroic, I didn't log into any of my level 80 toons, I only checked the AH once or twice and had a lovely quiet evening with the spouse in front of the (gas) fire watching Mary Poppins and I love Lucy reruns. Good luck with balance, and…. Stay on Target! My recent post Dead DPS……. Don't.
“Good Grp” is tinged with desperation. To me, it sounds like you’re used to being a really crappy group, but you’ve recently achieved the skill level where you can claim to be “good.” It also pressures people to meet the same standard, to a degree – we all consider “good” to arrive at a different point along the line, and most of us are aware that what one person considers good, another may consider mediocre. Someone who’s never done Ony before, for instance, may hesitate to contact the advertiser because they can’t possibly know whether they’re “good enough” for you.
“Bunch of morons LFM for Ony 10″ sounds more laid back, with people who have a sense of humor and are able to take mistakes or failures in stride, and move past them (as opposed to wallowing in misery and then throwing a hissy fit after a couple of tries). It’s more friendly. It sounds like people who don’t take things seriously, and really just want to have fun.
I like the second group and would consider joining them. They probably wouldn’t spit in my face. The first group might.
Which I’m sure has been commented upon already, but I just had to get my 2c in!
“Good Grp” is tinged with desperation. To me, it sounds like you’re used to being a really crappy group, but you’ve recently achieved the skill level where you can claim to be “good.” It also pressures people to meet the same standard, to a degree – we all consider “good” to arrive at a different point along the line, and most of us are aware that what one person considers good, another may consider mediocre. Someone who’s never done Ony before, for instance, may hesitate to contact the advertiser because they can’t possibly know whether they’re “good enough” for you.
“Bunch of morons LFM for Ony 10″ sounds more laid back, with people who have a sense of humor and are able to take mistakes or failures in stride, and move past them (as opposed to wallowing in misery and then throwing a hissy fit after a couple of tries). It’s more friendly. It sounds like people who don’t take things seriously, and really just want to have fun.
I like the second group and would consider joining them. They probably wouldn’t spit in my face. The first group might.
Which I’m sure has been commented upon already, but I just had to get my 2c in!
I tend to avoid adjectives when forming a group. Unless I'm in direct competition and then I fight dirty
"LFM VOA10 – tanks and healers"
"LFM VOA10 – just a tank, you see that other group? WE'RE BETTER THAN YOU!!!
Provides some much needed banter. Does anyone else find themselves wanting to stab the people who falls back into the tired memes of "join us we have cookies/pie/buzzwords lol"
and I nearly pissed myself about "less death in Tilsbury"
My recent post So it seems I can't take my own advice…